Stav Krag / Bridlington Karate

[mred]

Wow just picked up the kids and this has got even better!! So to recap;

They were going to do bjj and added the class in error and retracted the claim after Robs enquiry?

They then came back on the forum claiming that one of their instructors is a bjj grand master when he isnt?

They claim to have instructors graded by Australian bjj blackbelts that arent?

They claim to have a judo 6th and 8th dan but dont?

They teach MMA although none of their instructors have ever fought or trained MMA?

They accuse members of this forum of being dishonest and seem perplexed at the ensuing hornets nest?

Funny as fook

[CGJJ]

Regarding Ray Wood 'judo 10th dan'-
there is only one 9th Dan in Europe recognised by the British judo
association and the kodokan in japan-his name is Tony Sweeney.

There are very few judo 10th dans in the world.It is usually a grade awarded
post humously to legends of judo.

The BJA dan grade register is updated regularly.

Some charlatans do leave the larger associations and award themselves and their mates mickey mouse grades like 10th dans that mean nothing.

Regarding Peter and Kim Walker,their website clearly states they invented their own martial art,another ploy of belt chasers.They are not BJJ Blackbelts.

Simon Hayes
Carlson Gracie Team

[Sloth Jitsu]

Then pleeeeeeeeeeease re-ask the question, because once it's answered, it seems that the question changes, so maybe I am missing this elusive first question that was asked??

Hello, I am interested as to who teaches your Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu lesson, what rank they are and who they train under? Thanks.

This is a recurring question regarding those who were apparently going to teach BJJ

[Rob T]

Hello, I am interested as to who teaches your Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu lesson, what rank they are and who they train under? Thanks.

Imagine he had said;

"We do not offer any Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu lessons. That is an error and will be removed from our schedule".

I would have said "Cheers mate, thanks a lot"

...and it would have all been over.

But how much better has this been?

[Matsumura]

That would have been the answer if you had called him on the phone or contacted the creator of the Facebook group directly!

I am told that Mauricio Gomes is the one who Alan Docherty Graded under and he trains at the Ricks & Gracy School.. I may have got the spellings wrong as it was over a phone conversation.

He had a leg operation and so couldnt teach the class... this is why it was posponed. The details of his class remained on the site and by error ended up next to Daves STAV class on the Class Rosta. This was all explained, appologised for and corrected, etc!

[KennyRichards]

Chris does not know him and he has told me this himself. I already posted this!!

bekz claimed Dave Watkinson was a grandmaster in BJJ and that was written on the picture which was posted. So, now you're saying he is not? Which is it?

Dave is Grand Master in S.T.A.V , I've looked back and can only find a "master" reference in BJJ, we've never checked this out, because simply?  He doesn't teach it!!  No need to check up on it!

I know his videos are funny, but I've seen him do it at normal pace (yes even the walk away) and you cannot see what he does, it's a blur, ok pretending to slice a neck with a blade is ridiculous, I quite agree, but it's not about that, it is showing to anyone thinking they may attack someone with a knife, how easy it is to be disarmed and have that knife, or indeed any weapon you have, used against you!!

But the same can be said about BJJ (the sport)  especially if you're involved in a high impact sport like karate, aikido, Tai Quando or even boxing, to us it's just rolling around on the floor!!  The same can be said of Judo, though there's the throw element there and Ippon too, but still, it looks a damned sight easier than it actually is, but you find you can laugh at his (poor quality) videos and take the piss, I'd like to see you guy's attack him LOL

Joking aside, I hope you can see why we've been so aggravated by all this, it's a prospective class that we were trying to generate interest for, I only work there and teach the littlies, Karate is even new to me, my discipline was Win Chung and I never thought I'd enjoy the stylised rigidity of traditional Shotokan, but I do.

I can honestly say this club is being run to the highest of standards, in a very traditional style, we wouldn't take on a BJJ class without first making sure we were getting the right person for the job.  If there are so many guidelines, etc, then a courtesy call would have been more prevalent rather than a curt email from someone who didn't even have an interest in the club!!

As For Al Docherty, trains with Dave Alanaby at Rickson  Gracie's School and was Graded by Mauriso Gomes in 2001, if that helps?

[Ste T]

That would have been the answer if you had called him on the phone or contacted the creator of the Facebook group directly!

I am told that Mauricio Gomes is the one who Alan Docherty Graded under and he trains at the Ricks & Gracy School.. I may have got the spellings wrong as it was over a phone conversation.

Rickson Gracie I imagine is what he said.... M Gomes is well known and any belt awarded by him can easily be verified  

[Rob T]

That would have been the answer if you had called him on the phone or contacted the creator of the Facebook group directly!

Why would he have answered differently via phone?

[KennyRichards]

Wow just picked up the kids and this has got even better!! So to recap;

They were going to do bjj and added the class in error and retracted the claim after Robs enquiry?

They then came back on the forum claiming that one of their instructors is a bjj grand master when he isnt?

They claim to have instructors graded by Australian bjj blackbelts that arent?

They claim to have a judo 6th and 8th dan but dont?

They teach MMA although none of their instructors have ever fought or trained MMA?

They accuse members of this forum of being dishonest and seem perplexed at the ensuing hornets nest?

Funny as fook

Colin Hutchinson is 7th Dan Judo, Ray Wood is 10th dan Judo, 10th dan Jujitsu and 9th dan aikido
Kev O'laughlan is 8th dan Wadu
Stu hicken is 6th Dan Shotkan
Kieran Hicken is 2nd dan Shotokan (2nd dan wadu)
Kieran has fought a few times in MMA alongside Sean Gray
Sean (won gold this weekend in competition himself) well look him up he has Falcon Karate and teaches that at our club 3 times a week,  Soke George T Ross, 10th dan Jujitsu, we have enough at the club, but seriosuly think some of the sites you use need updating!!

[Rob T]

Dave is Grand Master in S.T.A.V , I've looked back and can only find a "master" reference in BJJ, we've never checked this out, because simply?  He doesn't teach it!!  No need to check up on it!

I think there is a need to check it out. He is not a grandmaster or master in BJJ, no way.

[Rob T]

Kieran has fought a few times in MMA alongside Sean Gray

What shows did they fight on? What were the names of the shows?

We have all searched the best known and most up-to-date MMA databases. If you know better, please tell us where we can find evidence of them fighting in MMA competition.

Was it pro, semi-pro or amateur? Which ruleset was used?

[KennyRichards]

Dave is Grand Master in S.T.A.V , I've looked back and can only find a "master" reference in BJJ, we've never checked this out, because simply?  He doesn't teach it!!  No need to check up on it!

I think there is a need to check it out. He is not a grandmaster or master in BJJ, no way.

Why?  he doesn't teach it??  There is no reason to berate us into anything, his credentials for STAV are fine and upstanding, no reason to check out something he doesn't even teach!!

[Rob T]

Why?  he doesn't teach it??  There is no reason to berate us into anything, his credentials for STAV are fine and upstanding, no reason to check out something he doesn't even teach!!

You may think that, I disagree. He doesn't teach now, it doesn't mean he never will.

His rank was also used by bekz as a general defence of your club proposing BJJ lessons. She brought it up... we never would have because there is no mention of him regarding BJJ anywhere on the net.

[Stalkachu]

http://www.mmauniverse.com/fighters/SS40804

My MMA Record.

Various other things also come up when you google my name.

On an unrelated note:

I once did a seminar (of sorts) at Meerkatsu's traditional Jiujitsu school. I was a Blue Belt, and all of the senior students there wore their Black Belts. Which I had no problem with, since it's their school and they can wear whatever they like. But if any one of those students had come to the academy I trained at, they would all have to wear white belts. If a picture was taken with me and the rest of his guys wearing black belts and their association uniform, and me wearing my RGA BJJ Gi, would it be automatically assumed that I had graded them?

...a bit of a facetious question, but I hope you get my point.

I don't have deep emotional responses on this one, really, but you can't claim a guy has a black belt on the basis of a couple of pictures like that, where it's patently obvious what's going on.

Just my $0.02.

Take care,

Stalks

[Rich_H]

Ricks & Gracy School.. I may have got the spellings wrong as it was over a phone conversation.

Problem with that statement is that if you did mishear the name Rickson Gracie as Ricks & Gracy over the phone you would have spelt it Hicks & Gracy.

Rs as Hs my boy.